Nuclear Proliferation- C.A.T.S. Team comments Pro's///Con's

[D'man- S. D. Fornwalt]

What a great event !!!! The operation that was put together for each team was awesome. We would really like to see this type of MilSim put together in the future getting as many players as we can too attend. Anyone who enjoy's MilSim would have a great time with this. Big THANKS to ASP of Greeley, CO. for hosting this event. I would like everyone to know that this response has been put together based on the C.A.T.S. Team majority and that we understand that we all know that some things may not go as planned in any event, however we put our trust in event hosting that taking these things into consideration that player safety is FIRST, not the number of kills aquired by anyone playing in an event. ( see comments below pro's///con's

Pro's
1. Event Logistics- Awesome
2. Event Prep- Good
3. Prop's used- Awesome
4. Playing area- Very Good-(A bit spead out for the turn out, but still good fire fights)
5. No Misqueto's

Con's- explanation below
1. Event intel was not followed as printed on team copies
2. Bang Bang rule was violated with no reguard/response to safety
3. C.A.T.S. Team early withdraw
4. Pre-Op briefing- (Communication)
5. Suggest RSVP for Event Prep.
6. #5 So we do not have to split up teams to fit the event. Back-up plans can prevent this from happening. Teams attend these events to play using their tactics/training not to have to use them on their own team-mates.

Our team withdrew from this event prior to the end time based on 2 things. 1st A conflict and mis-understanding with the information that was given to each team in their intel envelopes. It was brought to our attention that during the morning briefing prior to starting the event there was some discussion/confusion about a participant being re-inserted as a combatant. This information should have been made clear to atleast 1 member from each team by the event hosts to prevent the direct conflict this had with the information printed in the intel. 2nd Bang Bang rule violations !!!! We CAN-NOT and the C.A.T.S. Team WILL-NOT allow these types of violations to go un-policed even if we are not the event hosts. A specific guide line has been set to protect each playes SAFETY first, not to hear excuses made for poor misjudgement of distance. When these types of violations occur something must be done to prevent anyone getting injured. (This DID-NOT Happen) So to protect our Teams SAFETY we chose to withdraw from the event. We are not pointing a finger, however we do now and will continue to support the Rules voted into place by the members of Wyoming Airsoft and if need be we will remove our team from danger when SAFETY is no longer the NUMBER 1 priority. We would like to THANK all of the players whom attended and apologize if our early withdraw messed up the event, we just couldn't put our team in a situation where someone could get injured.

[Jack McClendon]

I was also at this event. I would like to know when the Bang Bang rule was violated, because at no point during the match did any of my team mates get with in the 25 ft. rule. And another thing, if you are looking for true MilSim then you have to understand that intel between teams will not be the exact same, and maybe in a real life situation, which this was trying to achieve as close as possible with airsoft, that a bigger opposition force than you expected may turn up on the battle field, so as i see it there should be not conflict there. if you are going to work as a team, then you have to adapt to situations that you may not have expected before. And another thing, you cannot get mad at the event holder for the turn out... that was not Shanes fault. people said they were going to be there then they backed out with out any explanation. that is in no way Shanes fault, so commenting that the event was to small i think is disrespectful.

Thank you
Jack M

[Bob Fornwalt]

I think what was trying to be conveyed here was there was an instance of the bang rule being violated...and it was not by anyone on your team Jack. The situation was involving another player and was not directed at anyone in this forum so it could be dealt with by that teams leader and no finger pointing would take place. As far as the intel being different, yes each teams intel is going to be different. The issue was that teams were told they would be looking for a pilot that was necessary for the completion of the mission, and this person was removed from the game and made into a combatant, making the mission unwinnable. Of course this wouldn't have been a problem for anyone if this have been communicated to all teams before hand, so that we werent looking for someone that did not exist. in a real life scenario, you wouldnt have this info, and the mission would be over, but in an airsoft environment, a team could spend all day looking and not playing. And the disrespectfulness you spoke of, he was not saying the event was too small in turnout, and definetly not blaming Shane for it. He was merely suggesting that contingencies could have been made to adapt from a small turnout to a big one. I had to do this for the event CATS and ASP hosted in August down there. That's all. The last thing you will see any member of my team do is be disrespectful to anyone. We are not a group of folks that doesn't take into account other peoples feelings, and from my experience hosting events, Shane did a good job overall. The issue of the Bang Bang rule violation has been discussed, and the event intel situation will self-resolve. We are new at this stuff, and hope to learn from mistakes made to make future events hassle free and enjoyably safe for all.

[D'man- S. D. Fornwalt]

We did not say the event was too small nor did we make a comment that we are mad at Shane about the turn out nor did we make any comments about all of the intel not being the same. What I did say was the intel we were given stated we MUST have specific things to complete the mission, in our intel there were 4 of these things, 3 remained possible 1 was made so that is was no longer accessable to us leaving the mission incomplete. We have already talked about this with Shane, whom we are good friends with and have resolved what had happened, we try and do this in an effort to make things better the next time. Shane knows that we do not have a problem with this and we will all work together to make future events better. As to the Bang Bang rule again we said we were not naming anyone and there were more than 1 kills where this became an issue, and if you and your team mates were never within that 25 ft. great, those are all good kills, however what we are saying is that in the future if these questions do arise we MUST deal with them in a manner that does not allow injuries to players. ALL PLAYERS

[Milo Rivers]

i may have been shot at the a close distance by a cats member when i foolishly ran right up to them not even noticed till i was shot. of corse i just jumped up and down for a few seconds before i called hit.
it was a supprise to me i thought it was my own team mate that i saw go in that direction . i dont know if it was 25 feet or not please let me know. it was very cool for me because i cant see or hear well and i dont mind getting lit up im sure it was past the 25 rule but i was not sure no problem on my end its war i xpect it thanks for your turn out sorry we did not get to fire fight with your team more is bob ok?

[Jack McClendon]

Ok. i guess that i was a bit confused by the way your original post was layed out. that is my fault, and i was not trying to get mad, even thought it kinda came out that way. I just wanted to make sure that no one felt like they were being attacked for showing up to the event. the last thing i want is to drive people away from the sport. I do think however that for a true milsim that the only thing that should be different from real life is the rifles we use. i guess thats why i see no problem with the pilot being turned into a opposing player. all that i think needed to be done was recapture the pilot and turn him to your side. once again i do apologize if my post came off rude or seemed to attack you. that is not what i ment. i was confused by your original post, which i took the wrong way, and i'm sure is not what you intended.

[Bob Fornwalt]

Hey Milo. I'm doing ok. My back is still messed up. but it'll heal. Just FYI you were at approximately 30 to 35 ft. away when I shot you. I am always conscious of the rule, and if you had been closer I would have called out. Not wanting to kick a dead horse but it's important and you wanted to know. I hope we get to play together more in the future, I'd personally like to go up against that MK-43 of yours... what a sweet weapon!

[D'man- S. D. Fornwalt]

Hello Again-- I would like to further clarify the above, because it seem's there may be a bit of confusion as to what I wrote in this posting. As far as the issue we had with the intel (our envelope) stated that we MUST have the pilot/scientest to complete the objectives, we were under the impression that this person could not be shot, and you needed him to win the game, (please keep in mind that those of us in the CATS that work in law enforcement/security forces see the word MUST, it means one thing period) so on that respect we may have been to literal. As far as the Bang Bang rule we again said we were not pointing fingures, what I meant by that was there was some question as to distances, not that there were specific violations. I have spoke with Shane in length about how we can learn from what has happened so that we can prevent these types of things in the future. ASP- (SHANE) did an awesome job on this- I think the idea was kick-ass, and we hope that all GOOD comes out of the little things we notice when hosting these events. Shane and I as well as our team mates are very good friends, a relationship that means alot to us, and we are learning together. Again Thanks to Shane, and the rest of U'z guys for coming out, we look forward to many shoot'em ups in the future. D'man